Best regards,
Sopo Belkania
Head of HR Management and International Relations Department
Ministry of Labor, Health and Social Affairs of Georgia
144 A.Tsereteli Avenue, 0159, Tbilisi, Georgia
Mobile number: +995 599 22 32 32
From: Sopo Belkania [mailto:sbelkania@moh.gov.ge]
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 12:32 PM
To: Kristiina Kahur (kkahur@hotmail.com)
Cc: Triin Habicht (triinhab@gmail.com) (triinhab@gmail.com); 'Ketevan Goginashvili'; Marina Darakhvelidze (mdarakhvelidze@moh.gov.ge)
Subject: FW: From the Ministry of Labour, Health and Social Affairs of Georgia
Dear Kristiina,
Hope you are doing well.
Thank you for provided information. I’ve talked to Keti and we have some questions regarding your email. We think it will be better to schedule Skype call with you during this week, to discuss all issues that we have. Could you be so kind and tell us your preference regarding date and time of Skype call.
Thank you one again,
Best regards,
Sopo Belkania
Head of HR Management and International Relations Department
Ministry of Labor, Health and Social Affairs of Georgia
144 A.Tsereteli Avenue, 0159, Tbilisi, Georgia
Mobile number: +995 599 22 32 32
From: Kristiina Kahur [mailto:kkahur@hotmail.com]
Sent: 18 February, 2018 15:29
To: Ketevan Goginashvili
Cc: 'Triin Habicht (triinhab@gmail.com)'
Subject: Re: From the Ministry of Labour, Health and Social Affairs of Georgia
Dear Keti,
I get back to you regarding this matter. As there is no response from Martti but we need somehow to speed up to process, we suggest you to:
1) send a a follow up email to Martti where you kindly ask him to response to your last email (sent 2 Fev 2018) and advice you with the matters you mentioned in your email. He is very busy and sometimes also slow in responding to emails. The other thing why he hasn't replied you is that he may need to discuss these issues (license, contract etc) with board of NCC and get acceptance. This may take time. Nevertheless, to send a kind reminder does no harm and hopefully he will respond soon.
2) contact the potential grouper software producer even though you do not have the definition tables yet which are needed for producing the grouper.
From NCC webpage http://www.nordcase.org/eng/products/groupers-definition-tables/ you can find the information that the "Nordic Casemix Centre has an agreement with Datawell for production of the grouper for the Centre and for use by national owner’s staff." . Datawell has been reorganized recently and currently the company is called FCG Prodacapo Group. They still deal with grouper software development and produce NordDRG groupers.
So, I would suggest you contacting Prodacapo, namely Mr Jussi Järveläinen (his email is Jussi.Jarvelainen@fcg.fi) and explain him why you are contacting him (you can use for this your initial official letter to NCC) and ask what are the next steps you should take once the definition tables are developed by NCC in order to be able to acquire the grouper.
I would recommend to cc this email you will send to Prodacapo also to Martti.
If there is any questions, please let us know. Triin is in Tbilisi next week and I will join her week after that. We can discuss this matter via email or during 25-28 Feb mission. Nevertheless, if you send out those two emails asap I hope we have taken some steps ahead already by last week of February.
Thanks,
Kristiina
From: Kristiina Kahur <kkahur@hotmail.com>
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 12:41 PM
To: Ketevan Goginashvili
Cc: 'Triin Habicht (triinhab@gmail.com)'
Subject: Re: From the Ministry of Labour, Health and Social Affairs of Georgia
Dear Keti,
I am happy to assist and support you.
I think your email concrete enough in order to proceed. You perhaps could remove the last bullet point "certified grouper" because Martti commented on this already in his email. When you get to the point when you need to contact the grouper producer, we can have a look at this together and decide how to proceed.
All other four points in your email are relevant and need be clarified.
There is a typo in your email you should correct. Martti's name is spelled with two "t" and not whit two "i".
Other than that I think you can proceed and send him the email.
Thanks,
Kristiina
From: Ketevan Goginashvili <kgoginashvili@moh.gov.ge>
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 12:25 PM
To: Kristiina Kahur; 'Triin Habicht (triinhab@gmail.com)'
Subject: RE: From the Ministry of Labour, Health and Social Affairs of Georgia
Dear Kristiina,
Thank you for information. Your support is precious for me. For me it is new things. As A understand correctly I must write to Martii the following e-mail. Please, help me and correct if something is wrong....
Dear Martii,
Thank you for your email and your support. We are interested to use Nordic grouper.
We want to clarify with you the following issues:
-The license/maintenance fee
- The contract for using the NordDRG Georgian version
-The timetable for providing Georgian national ICD10 and NCSP versions to NCC
-The timetable for providing the definition tables by NCC for Georgia based on our national primary classifications and Common NordDRG logic
- certified grouper.
Thank you for further cooperation.
With best regards,
Keti
Ketevan Goginashvili, MPH
Head of Health Policy Division
Health Care Department
Ministry of Labor, Health and Social Affairs
144 Tsereteli Ave
Tbilisi 0119, Georgia
Tel: +995 32 251 00 38 ext 1108
Mob: 995 577717984
From: Kristiina Kahur [mailto:kkahur@hotmail.com]
Sent: 31 January, 2018 22:02
To: Ketevan Goginashvili; 'sbelkania@moh.gov.ge'; 'Triin Habicht (triinhab@gmail.com)'
Cc: mdarakhvelidze@moh.gov.ge
Subject: Re: From the Ministry of Labour, Health and Social Affairs of Georgia
Dear Keti,
Thank you for you email.
I think the best is to get back to him and agree on further steps. He gave you "thumbs up" for further negotiations which shows NCC's readiness to proceed.
In my opinion you should clarify with Martti the following issues:
-The contract for using the NordDRG Georgian version
-The license/maintenance fee
-The timetable for providing Georgian national ICD10 and NCSP versions to NCC
-The timetable for providing the definition tables by NCC for Georgia based on your national primary classifications and Common NordDRG logic.
Once the definition tables are produced, it only comes to the grouper delivery. As Martti indicated, you can find the certified grouper producers in the webpage of NCC. The open source groupers are not yet available.
So I encourage you to reply him and clarify how is the best to proceed.
If there is anything I can help you with, please let me know.
Thanks,
Kristiina
From: Ketevan Goginashvili <kgoginashvili@moh.gov.ge>
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 2:53 PM
To: 'sbelkania@moh.gov.ge'; Kristiina Kahur; 'Triin Habicht (triinhab@gmail.com)'
Cc: mdarakhvelidze@moh.gov.ge
Subject: FW: From the Ministry of Labour, Health and Social Affairs of Georgia
Dear Kristiina, Dear Triiin,
Could you advise what to do after Martii’s response?
Thank you in advance,
With best regards,
Keti
Ketevan Goginashvili, MPH
Head of Health Policy Division
Health Care Department
Ministry of Labor, Health and Social Affairs
144 Tsereteli Ave
Tbilisi 0119, Georgia
Tel: +995 32 251 00 38 ext 1108
Mob: 995 577717984
From: Martti Virtanen [mailto:martti.virtanen@nordcase.org]
Sent: 31 January, 2018 16:32
To: Ketevan Goginashvili
Cc: 'Kahur Kristiina'; norddrgboard@nordcase.org; maisa.lukander@nordcase.org
Subject: VS: From the Ministry of Labour, Health and Social Affairs of Georgia
Sorry for not being able to answer you earlier.
Officially the board of the Nordic Casemix Centre will decide about the usage of the Nordic DRG grouper. However, the board has previously been positive for NordDRG usage ‘as is’ i.e. without any specific changes for a new country. Since you are using ICD-10 and NCSP this should be possible without any changes to your hospital information system. We would deliver the definition tables in a format that can be used by the grouper program. You could for example use the same basic grouping logic (table) that Latvia is currently using. Your ICD- and NCSP-tables would have to bee mapped to our ICD+ and NCSP+ tables. If you have not modified the original tables this is a straight forward process.
Currently we do not deliver the groupers. On our webpage (http://www.nordcase.org) you can find currently certified producers of grouper. Norwegian Board of health has produced a new grouper that may be available as open source product in the future. Also a new maintenance tool for NordDRG is currently developed as open source. Currently it is not ready.
I can not promise any support from the Nordic Casemix Centre for the use of NordDRG. Maybe persons from our expert group might be available as consultants. Obviously Kristiina Kahur could be a suitable person if she has time.
Greetings
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Martti Virtanen
CEO, Nordic Casemix Centre
Paciuksenkatu 19
00270 Helsinki
Finland
tel. +3585066728
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Lähettäjä: Ketevan Goginashvili [mailto:kgoginashvili@moh.gov.ge]
Lähetetty: maanantai 29. tammikuuta 2018 18.07
Vastaanottaja: martti.virtanen@nordcase.org; tiina.pasanen@nordcase.org; maisa.lukander@nordcase.org
Kopio: Zaza Sopromadze <zsopromadze@moh.gov.ge>
Aihe: From the Ministry of Labour, Health and Social Affairs of Georgia
Dear Mr. Vitranen,
I would like to kindly address you from the Ministry of Labour, Health and Social Affairs of Georgia with request to initiate cooperation with Nordic Casemix Center to obtain "Certificate of Acceptance" for NordDRG grouper software.
Let me take this opportunity and provide you with a brief overview of Georgian health care system. Since 2013, the Ministry of Labour, Health and Social Affairs of Georgia (MoLHSA) introduced several important reforms, including Universal Health Care (UHC) Program, which aims to improve access to health care services and strengthen financial protection. The Government of Georgia continues to retain Universal Health Care system and is committed to further improve cost effectiveness and transparency of UHC program with the support of World Health Organization through the implementation of reimbursement methods of health service providers.
It is worth mentioning that from 2010 health providers uses ICD10 and NCSP classifications and electronic system for claim reimbursement, which is a solid base for the implementation of NordDRG.
Would you be so kind to inform us what necessary procedures should be undertaken by Georgian side to get “Certificate of Acceptance” for use of NordDRG Grouper and Software.
Thank you in advance for consideration and support.
Sincerely,
Ketevan Goginashvili, MPH
Head of Health Policy Division
Health Care Department
Ministry of Labor, Health and Social Affairs
144 Tsereteli Ave
Tbilisi 0119, Georgia
Tel: +995 32 251 00 38 ext 1108
Mob: 995 577717984